Yesterday,
I began a rebuttal of some comments from a
previous post on Gandhi. I had said that Gandhi's eastern background
hindered him from understanding the gospel message because he filtered it
through his pre-existing Eastern conception. I quoted Gandhi, who said, "If God
could have sons, all of us were His sons. If Jesus was like God, or God Himself,
then all men were like God and could be God Himself." I then explained, "Jainism
specifically teaches that one can remove all their bad karma and become God. In
fact, in Jainism the only Gods that exist are those humans who've rid themselves
of their karmas."
1 So, it isn't surprising that Gandhi
would somehow misunderstand Jesus' unique claim to divinity since in the Eastern
view, being divine is not unique; it's the goal.
I supported my point with
several footnotes, including one by scholar Huston Smith and one from
Jainworld.com, which is one of the most comprehensive sites covering Jainism.
However, that passage elicited this response from Nate:
Also, as far as
Gandhi's issues with "if God could have sons, all of us were sons." Are we not
"children of God?" I don't see any issue with his logic here. And this: "If
Jesus was like God, or God himself, then all men were like God and could be God
himself---" Seems as though his perspective is consistent with many great
Christians.
In order for Gandhi's perspective to be consistent with many
great Christians, these Christians would need to be polytheists, like Hindus and
Jains are. However, being a polytheist is a direct contradiction to the most
basic of Christian theology, which is widely recognized as one of the three
great monotheistic faiths of the world.
For his support, Nate included
sixteen different quotes from the Bible, C.S. Lewis, and others. They are
reproduced here as he supplied them:
It is a serious thing to live in a
society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest and most
uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it
now, you would be strongly tempted to worship. . .
—C. S. Lewis, The Weight
of Glory
. . . the Spirit and our spirit bear united witness that we are
children of God. And if we are children we are heirs of God and co-heirs with
Christ, sharing his sufferings so as to share his glory."
—St. Paul, Rom.
8:15-17
They (those who love him) are the ones he chose specially long ago
and intended to become true images of his Son, so that his Son might be the
eldest of many brothers.
—St. Paul Rom. 8:29
God became man, so that man
might become God.
—Early Christian Proverb
I am the vine, you are the
branches.
—Jesus, John 15:5a
For the Son of God became man, that we might
become God.
—St. Athanasius, De inc
God said to this hairless monkey, "get
on with it, become a god."
—C. S. Lewis, A Grief Observed
"the Word became
flesh and the Son of God became the Son of Man: so that man, by entering into
communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of
God"
—St. Irenaeus, Adv Haer III 19,1
I tell you most solemnly, whoever
believes in me will perform the same works as I do myself, he will perform even
greater works.
—Jesus, John 14:12
Souls wherein the Spirit dwells,
illuminated by the Spirit, themselves become spiritual, and send forth their
grace to others. Hence comes . . . abiding in God, the being made like to God,
and, highest of all, the being made God.
—St. Basil the Great, On the Spirit.
(God) said that we were "gods" and He is going to make good His words. If we let
Him-for we can prevent Him if we choose—He will make the feeblest and filthiest
of us into a god or goddess, dazzling, radiant, immortal creature, pulsating all
through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine, a
bright stainless mirror which reflects back to God perfectly (though, of course,
on a smaller scale) His own boundless power and delight and goodness. The
process will be long and in parts very painful; but that is what we are in for.
—C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity 174-5
Let us applaud and give thanks that we
have become not only Christians but Christ himself. Do you understand, my
brothers, the grace that God our head has given us? Be filled with wonder and
joy—we have become veritable Christs!
—St. Augustine of Hippo
The
Only-begotten Son of God, wanting us to be partakers of his divinity, assumed
our human nature so that, having become man, he might make men gods.
—St.
Thomas Aquinas
In this way we are all to come to unity in our faith and in
our knowledge of the Son of God, until we become the perfect Man, fully mature
with the fullness of Christ himself.
—St. Paul, Ephesians 4:13
Morality is indispensable: but the Divine Life, which gives itself to us and
which calls us to be gods, intends for us something in which morality will be
swallowed up. We are to be remade. . . . we shall find underneath it all a thing
we have never yet imagined: a real man, an ageless god, a son of God, strong,
radiant, wise, beautiful, and drenched in joy.
—C. S. Lewis, The Grand
Miracle, p. 85
A seed of God grows into God.
—Meister Eckhart
With the
possible exception of Eckhart, who was a very controversial figure in the 14th
century and whose teachings were put on trial as heretical, these are good
Christian sources. However, these would more prove my initial point than Nate's.
Each of these sources, removed from its context does not communicate the full
thought of the passage. Some, such as the John 15:5 quote, are incomplete. The
entire verse reads, "I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me
and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit,
for apart from me you can do
nothing" (emphasis added). Rather than teaching Gandhi's view that we have the
power within ourselves to become sons of God, it teaches the opposite. We need
Jesus otherwise we are hopelessly lost.
Quote-Mining Distorts of the
Truth
I don't how Nate amassed these quotes. He may have been gathering them
in his studies or he may have done a bit of Googling. Regardless, I highlight
this to show how quote-mining without context is a dangerous thing. Notice how
C.S. Lewis used scare quotes in Mere Christianity when he wrote, "(God) said
that we were ‘gods' and He is going to make good His words." That's a tip-off
that Lewis doesn't believe that we will become divine in the way the Hindus, the
Jains, or
even the Mormons do. He's talking about something else. To use this quote as
support for Gandhi's perspective being "consistent with many Christians" is to
twist Lewis' words and make him say something he is not saying.
And so it is
with all of the quotes above. Not one of these quotes supports a view that would
coincide with man becoming an equal of Jesus. Remember what Gandhi said: "If
Jesus was like God, or God Himself, then all men were like God and could be God
Himself" (emphasis added). That isn't Gandhi claiming to have a God-centric
attitude. That's saying man has the potential to be all that God is—omnipotent,
omnipresent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. Can the context for
any of the quotes above to show that they argue for that position? I think not.
The
problem with quote-mining is that it's pyrite, fool's gold. It looks like it supports a point of view, but it often has no value for the conversations. Occasionally, like the John passage above, it can even be used to support the opposing point. Without context it always disregards the author's
intent. I think it smacks of dishonesty, as it portrays form of knowledge that doesn't really exist.
I've seen Christians who have been caught up trying to defend their faith
sometimes resort to gathering quotes that they don't completely understand and
offering them as proof of their position. You shouldn't do this! This is unfair
to the author and to your objector. If you are researching some supporting
evidence for your view, make sure you understand the author and his or her
position. Even then, make sure you understand the quote itself, in its proper
context. That may even require you to read the entire chapter in which the
sentence appears. However, it will be an honest way to present good evidence to
others who are questioning the faith.
Yesterday, I quoted another passage
from Mere Christianity where Lewis explicitly states that one cannot take Jesus
as a moral teacher and leave behind His claims to Lordship. Lewis said, "let us
not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He
has not left that open to us. He did not intend to." Jesus very clearly taught
the same thing: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me" (John 14:6). While Gandhi wants to take Jesus in just
this way, he has taken Jesus out of context. That was his undoing.
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