tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post8453894410449360150..comments2024-03-01T07:35:49.740-08:00Comments on Come Reason's Apologetics Notes: Do You Need Religion to Have Morals?Lenny Espositohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04064209669748618955noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-6848064531798268622015-12-29T12:09:38.712-08:002015-12-29T12:09:38.712-08:00I have an abundance of support for those statement...I have an abundance of support for those statement in this very blog. You can watch this video at http://apologetics-notes.comereason.org/2015/05/is-morality-grounded-in-nature-utility.html or read this article: http://apologetics-notes.comereason.org/2014/04/moral-grounding-and-confederate-money.html for a start. Much more can be found by clicking on the morality tag at the bottom of the post.Lenny Espositohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04064209669748618955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-28185639950482983312015-12-29T12:04:44.295-08:002015-12-29T12:04:44.295-08:00"I argue that the only way objective moral va..."I argue that the only way objective moral values and duties can exist is if they are grounded in God." <br />That is merely your opinion. Do you have any facts to back it up? <br />"...in order for morals to be prescriptive (that is, how we should act), they must come from a lawgiver that is above humanity." They must?!?!? Says who? Oh, just your opinion...again. <br />Your arguments (and I use the word argument VERY VERY loosely in your case) have no substance.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16084916242611649616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-12529338153781563002015-09-05T09:44:26.316-07:002015-09-05T09:44:26.316-07:00But how do you answer the Heinz dilemma posed abov...But how do you answer the Heinz dilemma posed above?Lenny Espositohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04064209669748618955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-6342035658824787832015-09-05T07:50:54.987-07:002015-09-05T07:50:54.987-07:00Adultry is wrong because it hurts your spouse. You...Adultry is wrong because it hurts your spouse. You don't need any higher being to tell you that. It comes with empathy.clikchichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05997216425380308373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-21673364879177803292015-07-03T19:38:28.049-07:002015-07-03T19:38:28.049-07:00How is it the same? Why in hardships of struggle o...How is it the same? Why in hardships of struggle or starvation do we preserve the life of a child - when by evolutionary standards, we are bigger and can eat them? Gina Draker STUDIOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17560009582531766651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-76361677032657126922014-08-16T20:17:13.156-07:002014-08-16T20:17:13.156-07:00I mean you really don't need religion to know ...I mean you really don't need religion to know what's moral or not, its instilled in us, we just know but how do we know, we know because we can feel that energy inside, either a negative or positive, in ourselves we have that conscience inside our mind determining what's right from wrong, it was implanted in us. I believe in God and I am a God fearing person who believes in Jesus Christ, that God sent his only Son to save us from death and the the power sin but even before I knew Christ I still had a conscience, I still had morals but where did that come from, it came from my parents and where did they get it from...it leads all the way back to the beginning and how did we all begin?Boazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03810490062116662819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-43650488354665884502014-01-12T05:39:11.071-08:002014-01-12T05:39:11.071-08:00Here is another meme which I have seen somewhere a...Here is another meme which I have seen somewhere and you may want to consider ..." I would add that you don't need religion to be insane, but it's a start!"Someonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17689034986771558451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-34483446613302076452014-01-10T18:45:34.101-08:002014-01-10T18:45:34.101-08:00I think you might misunderstand what morality is. ...I think you might misunderstand what morality is. Being a moral agent means considering that other beings have moral standing, and exercising morality is making decisions about what should be done and what should not be done. But, if you are following a religion's prescriptive rules about what to do and what not to do, you are in fact not acting morally at all. All you are doing is following rules, that's it. You are not deciding anything, but just consulting a book of rules and acting in accordance with those rules. That is not morality.<br /><br />Holy books hardly count as examples of definitive 'right for all, at all times' morals anyway, given that sometimes killing is cool, other times it isn't, sometimes slavery is fine, then for some people they should be free etc.<br /><br />Empathy for one's fellow human beings is a pretty good 'yardstick' for moral acts. It's objective in the sense that all human beings, no matter what culture they come from, possess empathy (apart from sociopaths).mikewhiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00941497262587458969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-38134874346963114702013-12-27T20:36:38.475-08:002013-12-27T20:36:38.475-08:00Cloggy, you miss the distinction between acting mo...Cloggy, you miss the distinction between acting morally and having a grounding or basis from which moral laws derive. As an example, traffic laws come from a city council or state government. They write the laws that the citizens are obligated to obey, such as the speed limit. However, there are some areas where there is no speed limit. In those places, one may drive as fast as he or she wishes. There is no obligation.<br /><br />So, tell me on an atheist worldview, what is the source or grounding for the laws of morality?Lenny Espositohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04064209669748618955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-71179895522094326452013-12-27T04:04:44.097-08:002013-12-27T04:04:44.097-08:00So.. Had you not believed in god, you would have n...So.. Had you not believed in god, you would have no problem raping, killing, torturing?<br />Your belief in god is the only thing thing standing between how you behave now and how you otherwise might behave? <br />That is truly sad. Cloggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14472469213332905735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-55189969820241273962013-12-27T04:00:44.736-08:002013-12-27T04:00:44.736-08:00So.. Had you not believed in god, you would have n...So.. Had you not believed in god, you would have no problem raping, killing, torturing?<br />Your belief in god is the only thing thing standing between how you behave now and how you otherwise might behave? <br />That is truly sad. Cloggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14472469213332905735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-30913943769684746992013-05-07T04:23:35.286-07:002013-05-07T04:23:35.286-07:00Maybe you're taking a short-sighted view of ev...Maybe you're taking a short-sighted view of evolution. It's true rape and adultery might give a man a short-term advantage, but genetic survival requires much more than just having children. Raising children is also essential.<br /><br />For humans, the greatest tactic enhancing our survival is cooperation, but rape and adultery destroy cooperation, so that's why rape and adultery are generally immoral acts. They're generally not the best evolutionary strategy.John B. Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00234524731241646514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-44536976858738747822013-05-05T07:57:00.445-07:002013-05-05T07:57:00.445-07:00Hi John,
The problem with basing morality on evol...Hi John,<br /><br />The problem with basing morality on evolutionary paradigms is that evolution doesn't care a whit whether an action is right or wrong. Survival of the fittest has at its root the goal of leaving more offspring than another. So acts like rape and adultery can actually be an evolutionary advantage, producing more progeny. The rightness or wrongness of these acts don't work when leaving the most offspring is the measuring stick.Lenny Espositohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04064209669748618955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-43166370350748639212013-05-04T20:20:48.925-07:002013-05-04T20:20:48.925-07:00You say the law of God is written on the hearts of...You say the law of God is written on the hearts of all men, but others say the evolutionary struggle for survival is written on the hearts of all men. Maybe the two are actually the same? The basic morality works out very similar, for sure.<br />John B. Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00234524731241646514noreply@blogger.com