tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post6784779322985895575..comments2024-03-01T07:35:49.740-08:00Comments on Come Reason's Apologetics Notes: Why would Gandhi reject Jesus?Lenny Espositohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04064209669748618955noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-80570333500534969452016-05-30T19:29:33.722-07:002016-05-30T19:29:33.722-07:00Not all of us are sons of God. In John 1:12, it sa...Not all of us are sons of God. In John 1:12, it says that “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:” This makes only Christians have the right to be called the sons of God (however painful or offending it may sound to others). <br /><br />In your reference on the book of Rome 8:15-17, remember who he was talking to. He was talking to fellow Christians. Start the reading from verse 1 where he preached first Jesus and called the people brethren.<br /><br />"If Jesus was like God, or God himself, then all men were like God and could be God himself" – I also don’t have a problem with believers being gods. But I cannot agree with his words “… could be God himself. I may be a god but a much, way, way lower than Him. I cannot be God himself.<br /><br />I may be made as a co-inheritor and co-worker, but I cannot be equaled with Jesus. Much more with the Father.<br />Ken Yamamotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07515611121778914302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-7407063215076425292014-07-28T15:04:06.310-07:002014-07-28T15:04:06.310-07:00My first response to the above may be found here: ...My first response to the above may be found here: http://apologetics-notes.comereason.org/2014/07/is-gandhi-better-model-for-christians.htmlLenny Espositohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04064209669748618955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-60469616201802983422014-07-25T15:35:54.464-07:002014-07-25T15:35:54.464-07:00Souls wherein the Spirit dwells, illuminated by th...Souls wherein the Spirit dwells, illuminated by the Spirit, themselves become spiritual, and send forth their grace to others. Hence comes . . . abiding in God, the being made like to God, and, highest of all, the being made God.<br />—St. Basil the Great, On the Spirit.<br /><br />(God) said that we were "gods" and He is going to make good His words. If we let Him-for we can prevent Him if we choose—He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a god or goddess, dazzling, radiant, immortal creature, pulsating all through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine, a bright stainless mirror which reflects back to God perfectly (though, of course, on a smaller scale) His own boundless power and delight and goodness. The process will be long and in parts very painful; but that is what we are in for.<br />—C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity 174-5<br /><br />Let us applaud and give thanks that we have become not only Christians but Christ himself. Do you understand, my brothers, the grace that God our head has given us? Be filled with wonder and joy—we have become veritable Christs!<br />—St. Augustine of Hippo<br /><br />The Only-begotten Son of God, wanting us to be partakers of his divinity, assumed our human nature so that, having become man, he might make men gods.<br />—St. Thomas Aquinas<br /><br />In this way we are all to come to unity in our faith and in our knowledge of the Son of God, until we become the perfect Man, fully mature with the fullness of Christ himself.<br />—St. Paul, Ephesians 4:13<br /><br />Morality is indispensable: but the Divine Life, which gives itself to us and which calls us to be gods, intends for us something in which morality will be swallowed up. We are to be remade. . . . we shall find underneath it all a thing we have never yet imagined: a real man, an ageless god, a son of God, strong, radiant, wise, beautiful, and drenched in joy.<br />—C. S. Lewis, The Grand Miracle, p. 85<br /><br />A seed of God grows into God.<br />--Meister EckhartAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287099023542449921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-14362719200278834342014-07-25T15:32:43.429-07:002014-07-25T15:32:43.429-07:00They (those who love him) are the ones he chose sp...They (those who love him) are the ones he chose specially long ago and intended to become true images of his Son, so that his Son might be the eldest of many brothers.<br />—St. Paul Rom. 8:29<br /><br />God became man, so that man might become God.<br />—Early Christian Proverb<br /><br />I am the vine, you are the branches.<br />—Jesus, John 15:5a<br /><br />For the Son of God became man, that we might become God.<br />—St. Athanasius, De inc<br /><br />God said to this hairless monkey, "get on with it, become a god."<br />—C. S. Lewis, A Grief Observed<br /><br />"the Word became flesh and the Son of God became the Son of Man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God"<br />—St. Irenaeus, Adv Haer III 19,1<br /><br />I tell you most solemnly, whoever believes in me will perform the same works as I do myself, he will perform even greater works.<br />—Jesus, John 14:12Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287099023542449921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6805190.post-28217312241961840452014-07-25T15:30:30.788-07:002014-07-25T15:30:30.788-07:00I would say, let Gandhi serve as a caution to Chri...I would say, let Gandhi serve as a caution to Christians today that when you embody the teachings of Jesus, you may starve, be beaten, ridiculed, misunderstood, alienated, be poor.....Gandhi lived more like Christ than any Christian I have ever seen (with my own eyes), and yet here we are cautioning other Christians to his story. Hmmm...seems as though it should be the other way around. Also, as far as Gandhi's issues with "if God could have sons, all of us were sons." Are we not "children of God?" I don't see any issue with his logic here. And this: "If Jesus was like God, or God himself, then all men were like God and could be God himself---" Seems as though his perspective is consistent with many great Christians: <br />It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest and most uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship. . .<br />—C. S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory<br /><br />. . . the Spirit and our spirit bear united witness that we are children of God. And if we are children we are heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, sharing his sufferings so as to share his glory."<br />—St. Paul, Rom. 8:15-17Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287099023542449921noreply@blogger.com